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by outside1234 30 days ago
It is hard to take anyone seriously that says “The woke mind virus.”

That is what is wrong with it.

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If the use of a single phrase in an obscure three year old mailing list post is enough to make you dismiss someone entirely, that probably says more about you than it does about me.
> a single phrase in an obscure three year old mailing list post

> I stand by every word I said in that thread

Correct, I don't respond to demands that I disavow my own words, even if they weren't the words I'd use today.
> "If you think a specific statement was wrong, harmful, or dishonest, then explain why"

> someone picks a specific statement

> "If the use of a single phrase... is enough to make you dismiss someone entirely"

Bro, you asked for a specific statement. Was GP actually supposed to provide N specific statements, where N is a hidden number known only to you?

How was that "wrong, harmful, or dishonest" - specifically?
Why would I answer that when you already said one statement being wrong doesn't matter? If one statement being wrong doesn't matter then why are you changing your mind and asking? Would there be any point in replying?

I've met a lot of folks in software who think contradicting themselves in order to "gotcha" the other person is some form of being clever. You can't really have success reasoning them out of it; they think being incorrigible is the same as winning.

> Why would I answer that when you already said one statement being wrong doesn't matter?

I never said that.

You don't understand. All they have to do is repeat what you've said with a snarky tone, tag it with an extreme insult, then imply that it makes you unfit to be employed, even if you are self-employed. Your duty is to apologize, and promise to do better.

Specificity is literally gaslighting.

Your goal, I think, is to build a movement around Freenet.

How does bringing in "the woke mind virus" or "virtue signaling" into a technical conversation help build your movement vs. cause people to tune out?

I didn't bring in anything, someone dug up and linked to 3-year-old out of context posts to a mailing list - I explained the context.
It's wrong because a "woke mind virus" literally doesn't exist, and you just made up the concept, or more likely appropriated it from a Nazi-salute-slinging billionaire whose brain has turned to mush.

It's dishonest because it pretends that people behaving in a way that you don't like are somehow infected by some (literal or metaphorical) contagion, when I am not aware of any evidence that this is the case.

I'd be delighted to be proven wrong on either of the above with studies or other serious sources. I'll wait.

It refers to Critical Social Justice ideology. There are entire books, academic papers, and debates about it from across the political spectrum.
I understand what Critical Social Justice is, and it is not in any way a virus either literally or figuratively. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was asking for sources establishing that such a thing as a "woke mind virus" exists. I doubt there are any serious sources which frame critical social justice as such, but once again I'd love to be proven wrong on this. I'm still waiting.
If you said "vaccines cause autism" it does the same. It's a pattern, a symptom of the deeply unbalanced and, ironically, non-free thinking.

A warning sign.

Look, if everyone around tells you says it sounds like a donkey, looks like a donkey and walks like a donkey, maybe check with a vet?

It's not a conspiracy and not that hard. You'd be embarrassed if you u saw what we see. And indeed, you destroyed the credibility of the project with that.

That phrase is on par with "chemtrails" and "vaccine truther" with its ability to vaporize one's credibility, if used unironically as OP did in those emails.
Your need to sort people based on trigger phrases says it all.
No, it really doesn't. You're reacting super defensively throughout this entire thread. It's a really bad look.
He's actually being measured and fair, even in the face of aggressive insults from strangers.
It's not the phrase that's the issue, but you knew that.
What is the issue? Please be specific.
No one can even agree on what woke even means. "Woke mind virus" 99% of the time is uttered by extremely unserious and contrarian people. It's a fantastic signal that screams "Ignore me, I'm not worth the trouble."

So the issue is that you're insufficiently socialized to understand this or don't care, both of which are very poor signs for someone who wants to lead a long lived organization which stewards a open global platform. IMO your behavior in this thread is very strong evidence that any org you lead is unlikely to thrive. You seem to lack the disposition and people skills.

"Woke" refers to Critical Social Justice ideology, hope that helps.