[Humorist2290]

I'm taking a "wait and see" approach with Bitwarden. I've been a paying customer for a while, happy with it, and hoping the leadership changes won't be too user hostile. Still, a major reason I chose Bitwarden to begin with is they have a decent "Export" button, and all of this news reminded me that my offline backup of the vault was a few months old. Regardless of their product roadmap, they could have an incident tomorrow that keeps users away from their passwords -- offline backups are a good idea.

And Vaultwarden is nice. I've used it at work, hosted it myself, and as a user of the password manager I can say it's basically indistinguishable. But I don't really pay Bitwarden for a password manager -- I pay them for a secure sync of a password manager I can share with family members who can't figure out a VPN.

[bitlevel]

I have been paying for Bitwarden (BW) premium since 2019 and earlier this year decided to move away from BW due to the password filling becoming somewhat hit-and-miss (even on a fresh install), along with taking its time to do so.

Had previously used Enpass in the past and was pleased to see how much it had improved since then. Also allows me several choices when it comes to where I store my vaults. And fills passwords quickly and efficiently in comparison to BW.

So I've migrated fully to Enpass - clients everywhere, browser plugins available, and it just works.

With this news, it now looks as though my migration was somewhat prescient.

I also use KeypassXC as a backup on USB should it ever be needed.

[bitlevel]

Just to add - in my experience, exporting from Bitwarden loses a bunch of things - attachments, passkeys and a few obtuse items.

This isn't a good - particularly as passkeys are effectively just certs - migrators should be aware of those caveats.

[donmcronald]

> I'm taking a "wait and see" approach with Bitwarden.

I won’t. The optics look bad and that alone is enough to show the leadership is either hostile to users or too inept to understand why their recent actions signal a change away from what people value in their product. If they don’t understand or care about the same things as the community / customers, there’s no reason to think they’ll make choices that continue to be a good value proposition for their customers.

The only thing that’s going to stop tech companies from pulling this crap is if a hint of private money coming in to ruin everything ends up ruining things before everyone gets to cash in. Basically, a mass exodus and bankruptcy would be the only outcome that makes the next company think twice about using the enshitiffication playbook.

We need some companies built around fair value instead of extortion and they need to be run like Steam. Steam has an unbreakable hold on gaming because they’ve never screwed their users.