[CobaltFire]

I have a van that does all of that better. Seriously.

Mercedes Metris, and I average 27MPG driving it like I do my Leaf.

It's also amazing for going to the water and being able to change in it, going skiing and being able to dress out, etc.

SUV's are hugely overrated. I have a 4WD (GX470) and honestly we rarely ever drive it because even for fire roads the van is more than capable enough.

That said, it IS a niche vehicle. I'm rather sad they didn't catch on more.

[zardo]

Yeah, a van is the real sport utility vehicle.

And yeah, people hugely misunderstand needing 4WD. If you aren't off-roading it's not doing much for you.