[busfahrer]

I have been contemplating a M5 Pro MBP, but for the life for me I wasn't able to find benchmarks for real-world models, do you happen to know how many tokens per second roughly you get with MoE models like Qwen 3.6 35B/A3B or Gemma 4 26B?

[ahknight]

I'm not normally one to share videos as answers, but this particular fellow does a LOT of work with local AIs and Macs and happens to have a nuanced answer. https://youtu.be/XGe7ldwFLSE

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You need to ask macOS people for their prefill speed as well, there are two numbers you care about here, and current MacBooks have generally terrible numbers when it comes to prefill performance. Surely it'll get better with time, but if you already have a desktop, I'd go the "beefy GPU" route first.

[egorfine]

> current MacBooks have generally terrible numbers when it comes to prefill performance

Previous MacBooks. Prefill speed on M4 Pro and M5 Pro are hugely different.

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Alright, show me the numbers then, whenever I ask any macOS people about their prefill speed instead of generation speed, they all seem to disappear :P

[egorfine]

here are some: https://x.com/egorFiNE/status/2045107868261667091

[egorfine]

Qwen 3.6 35B running on oMLX 0.3.9rc1: on oMLX I get 86 t/s on Q4 and 74 t/s on Q6.

Bear in mind that ttft on MLX is much much faster on M5 Pro as compared to M4 Pro.

Also bear in mind that those figures are with NO optimizations whatsoever: no MCP, no DFlash. I am waiting for both to be released for the Qwen models.

[busfahrer]

Great, thanks! :-) and to mirror another poster: what kind of prompt parsing (prefill) speed do you get for that model? Also how is the speed for the 27B model?

[egorfine]

35B: 1300-1800 t/s on both Q4 and Q6.

27B: give me 20 minutes

[busfahrer]

Thank you, good sir!

[egorfine]

Qwen3.6 27B oQ6: 12.5 t/s generation, 340-360 t/s pp.

[egorfine]

Native MCP:

For Qwen 35B enabling native MCP on MLX models slows it down by 10%.

For Qwen 27B enabling native MCP on MLX models speeds token generation up almost exactly 1.5x.

(all tested on M5 pro).

[juancn]

I'm running unsloth/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-UD-Q8_K_XL on an M3 Max, 64GB at ~57 t/s with llama-server

[brcmthrowaway]

Prefill speed and 27B number?

[juancn]

Prefill is around ~600 t/s.

I don't remember what the 27B was, I tried a 27B with different quantization at some point for that one, but I settled on the 31B.