[Balvarez]

Your probably a normal guy making a comment in good faith, but I can't help but think this is the exact sort of dark marketing that I would do if I was an anti union commenter/marketer. Attack the vague made up values of union members because you can't attack the fact that large companies have been anti-worker for awhile and most people believe that. I'll also add onto here that if this comment gets down voted into the dirt, I'm likely right. Also let me be clear, I'm not attacking your comment but what sort of comment would be most-likely amplified by anti-union forces.

[aliasxneo]

Well, I'm the sole provider in a single income family with several dependents. My assumption is that would make me the natural fit for a union given how much my employment means my family stays off the street. That's why I have mixed feelings. The idea of a union aligns with my living situation. The reality, however, always left a sour taste in my mouth.

[xur17]

Maybe, but I have heard the exact same experience from my Dad and others that have worked with unions. It unfortunately seems to attract people trying to take advantage of the system. Personally if I were offered similar jobs, one with a union, one without, I'd take the one without.

[jandrewrogers]

The poor reputation of unions in the US is well-deserved. The unions are writing their own anti-union propaganda, you can't blame other people for noticing this. Your argument is essentially that we should pretend this obvious badness doesn't exist because it makes unions look bad.

It is weird how much discourse these days is about pretending something obviously true isn't actually happening. The first step of fixing a problem is being honest about its existence. The inability of some people to be honest about the existence of obvious things is why so many problems go unaddressed.

[robocat]

A worldview where you see manipulation in everything seems sad.

I suspect the guidelines explain voting behaviour: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[gitaarik]

So there are no issues with unions in your view?

Of course it's not that black and white, but I don't think the previous commenter was necessarily painting it like that.

[izacus]

Yep, this is textbook unionbusting propaganda.

[ericd]

Rein in the worst excesses, and you won't have the general population spreading these stories as a response to their own experiences with unions. Living in NYC and observing union workers was enough to fully convince me that union regs weren't promoting efficiency in the workplace, no need for shady capitalists to try to convince me. And a lot of times, those people were working for public dollars, so it was hurting all of us.