[pluc]

Seriously how is this surprising? We all know AI companies stole troves of data to train their models, why do you think they'll stop? Have they faced consequences for the mass theft of copyrighted data?

You can't steal or profit off of that data, but it's fine for them for whatever reason. I guess because they're a force for good in the world and are pushing humanity forward eh?

[exploderate]

That data is not stolen. It's still there.

[DamnInteresting]

I've had my writings directly plagiarized by other people--people who made word-for-word copies of my work, replaced my name with their own, and made a tidy profit on it. They profit more than I ever managed, because they have more resources. In the aftermath, my writings are still "there", not "stolen" in the physical world sense, but my ability to make a living is damaged, and the plagiarism is deeply unethical.

LLMs and "AI" are just one small step removed from straight-up plagiarism. They are massive moral injury[1] machines.

[1] https://moralinjuryproject.syr.edu/about-moral-injury/

[GeoAtreides]

the income from the data, on the other hand...

[nmeagent]

Are the livelihoods of the original creators still there?

[CivBase]

> You can't steal or profit off of that data, but it's fine for them for whatever reason.

The reason is quite simple. When Microsoft steals YOUR work, GDP go up. When YOU steal Microsoft's work, GDP go down. And the people who create and enforce our laws want GDP to go up. To these people morality and rights are a thin guise that can be conveniently discarded when it's invonvenient for them.

[sixothree]

> why do you think they'll stop

Because the sources are now polluted with AI. That's at least one reason they stop scraping.

[stronglikedan]

> it's fine for them for whatever reason

the reason is crony capitalism. I wish I knew what the fix was

[skrebbel]

Everytime something gets posted on HN about a bad or unfair state of affairs, some cynical nihilist posts “doh why r u surprised” and I’m sick and tired of it. These comments aren’t insightful, helpful or thought-provoking. You’re just helping a bad situation stay bad.

[mikestew]

My only imagined motivation for such posts is, “Look at me, I’m not surprised by this due to my superior intellect, why are you surprised?”

“No one is surprised, jackass, it’s just adults having a conversation about the current state of affairs.”

Yes, it’s tiring and rarely contributes positively to the conversation.