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by NietTim 27 days ago
Some people just want to hate. I'll never understand it. The world is beautiful and so is AI. That doesn't mean they don't have ugly sides too, but choosing to focus on the ugly sides is a choice.
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You could ignore the ugly sides in 2018 or 2022, when the tech consisted of fun toys that existed alongside everything else and not instead of it.

In 2026, unless you're wealthy or are one of the few that don't need to use the internet to live, focusing on the ugly sides is not optional. When the ugly parts are coming for your employment, community, ability to own anything, your favorite spaces on the internet and your power and voice in society, you can't just turn away and say that you'll just ignore that, and then pretend like everyone pointing to the oncoming train is just a negative naysayer who's upset because they're bad and like to feel bad and no other reasons.

Your argument clearly comes from a doomer perspective, your employment will be gone (Maybe, but you will find new employment), your community will be gone (?), your ability to own anything will be gone (?????)

> your favorite spaces on the internet and your power and voice in society(??), you can't just turn away and say that you'll just ignore tha

I've clearly been on the internet longer then you, all of my favorite places are already gone. It's completely fine. Life is finite and there is something beautiful about that.

I wish you too will find the beauty in life at some point.

I will admit that, being more directly impacted by the way AI is deployed, I have some 'harsh' opinions. You're not required to agree with them, and the point I was making wasn't to win you over to a different opinion. (Although, despite using very strong wording to describe those effects, surely you can see the points people are making about the impacts of centralizing power, diluting the internet with botted content or contributing to the increased rent-ification of the web without just drawing question marks, right?)

The point is that, in acknowledging that there is a valid 'doomer' perspective to begin with, you're undermining your initial argument - namely, that the opposition simply likes to dislike things, and that their arguments have little depth or merit because they're only cherrypicking or making things up to serve some kind of hidden thirst for negativity.

I agree with you - I am already alarmed at how many people are now so openly hateful. As if they were waiting for a social licence to show their hearts and minds openly.

It is in vogue to hate AI now, so they loudly proclaim their hate towards it, because it is widely acceptable.

I will always be a little wary around those people who now profess their hate towards AI aloud. Who knows what and whom they hate with the same passion, but won't tell because the time isn't ripe yet.

I'll tell. It's you. You personally, and no one else. Not a category of people that includes you. Just you.
I don't particularly care if you hate me, I am more wary about people being hateful in general. It is a dangerous emotion to nurture and channels people towards acting in an evil way.

And the rationalizations tend to be questionable. 100 years ago, plenty of people would tell you that Jews are bloodsuckers who dominate the economy with their greed and enslave regular workers. It isn't exactly the same, but surely it rhymes.

At least today the hated enemy is a bit abstract and not a human. Though the hate can easily extend towards actual people who work on it.

Such a weird, non HN worthy, type of comment. Just pure personal attack while they said nothing weird. Why are you here?
It's a type of engagement bait, people like posting things online which they know will rile up reactions.
Weird responses you're getting, I agree with you fully, if someone is constantly putting on display what they hate I'll keep as far away from them as I can be.
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I am 47 and I indeed voted in many elections.

I still insist on my opinion that hatefulness tends to be a generalized condition of human soul, and that it can be re-chanelled to a different target quite quickly. I yet have to meet a very selective hater who would otherwise be a kind person.

(Absolute extremes like "liberating Bergen-Belsen" do not count, but the vast majority of people living in the West has never encountered anything as extreme in their lives.)

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Whoa, don't move the goalposts so fast. A few mean comments is nothing; persistent hatred, which I witness on forums, is something else.

Precisely because I have been online for 30 years, I know how productive this is: zero. More precisely, this way of emoting/thinking gets lousy populists elected, like Trump.

"Holy shit, I didn’t even read your sibling comment, where you make vague hand gestures towards the anti-semitism and the Holocaust. Bravo, you got me I guess, because this has to be trolling, no human being is this fucking retarded."

You have an anger problem, that is all.

It is the 80th anniversary of the big judicial processes against important Nazis, and I spent last days listening to some historic records from the contemporary radio. Of course my mind wanders in that direction.

But I also noticed that the prosecutors and the judges were calm and professional, even when dealing with the worst offenders against humanity. No mindless rage and hate and screaming and vitriol; why, too?

In a contrast, someone can work up themselves into a cursing shitstorm during a banal discussion on a tech forum, hmmm. What a diversity in personalities, and guess which ones are more mature and respect-worthy.

"fucking stupid ... fucking retarded"

You know what I find, uh, not smart? Hating any technology, AI included. It is just a thing that can be wielded for good and for bad. Much like electricity: you can use it to warm your home or you can use it to torture inmates in a prison.

Imagine someone walking around hating electricity, because Jack Welch was a bad guy and it also destroyed jobs of untold candlemakers. Even you would probably laugh at that figure, impotently cursing and spitting at every LED light, and call them something from your "arsenal of charming words for strangers".

Anyway AI is here and you will likely have to interact with it in the future; much like e-mail and smartphone, it is not going anywhere anytime soon. Hating it won't help you a iota.

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Bwahaha, make me. And looking at your comment history, its not like you have anything valuable to say either, so consider stones, glass houses, etc.

Have you considered there’s a reason AI companies and their fans have attracted so much hate? Gosh, it couldn’t be anything they did or said, could it?

Vitriol is a natural human response to stupidity, injustice, and short-sightedness. I don’t owe you politeness because you said something stupid on the Internet.

Toxic person uses any excuse to be toxic, more breaking news at 11.
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it's tribal, it feels good to rally against a common enemy