[sterlind]

maybe I'm blind, but it looks like there's no radio! like there's wifi and bluetooth, sure, but I don't see NFC or RFID or sub-1ghz radio, at all.

imo the flipper always needed to be a software-defined transciever, with a small FPGA to drive it, like the other SDRs on the market. I'm disappointed they seem to have forsaken radio completely.

[rkourdis]

They added an M.2 port [1] to which you can attach a variety of modules, including SDR (eg. [2] 30 MHz - 11 GHz).

[1]: https://docs.flipper.net/one/hardware/m2-port/modules [2]: https://www.crowdsupply.com/wavelet-lab/ssdr

[bigiain]

No pricing on that sSDR yet, but their single channel M.2 SDR is $360. My guess it the dual channel one would be close to $500. Nice, but above my impulse buy threshold... (It won't surprise me if a Flipper One with that sSDR in it will cost close to $1,500.)

[plugger]

This is where I land as well, except I'd go higher. Ukraine has caused the pricing of any FPGA equipped SDR to skyrocket.

Plus incredibly high sample rates that the sSDR supports would likely result in a lot of drops in sampling due to sustained throughput issues of the device itself. You'd be surprised how much dropping occurs on even fairly modern/grunty machines. I used to record X band weather satellite baseband on a HP Dev One and ended up using a ramdisk for baseband recording as the PCIe 2.0 bus wasn't able to handle the sustained write speeds once the nvme drive's buffer was maxed out. Basically anything above 30Msps would go to RAM.

As strong as the lure is of a cute RF device, I've never bought a flipper as I couldn't justify it given the multitude of other SDRs and radio hardware I have. EG RFNM, BladeRF 2.0 xA4, hackRF clone, RTL-SDRs and NESDRs, as well as a YardStick.

[sterlind]

what's behind the price increase? low-end FPGAs still seem dirt cheap. is the pricey bit the actual radio module that they drive?

[modeless]

Lots of laptops have M.2 ports. You can also get M.2 for Raspberry Pi. I don't know why I would buy this device. I guess it's cool that it's small, but the screen sucks.

[PunchyHamster]

yeah but it kinda makes that a requirement instead of option for extra expansions

[johnwalkr]

The flipper zero was already in a grey area because it easily enables one to do things in licensed bands and do things you’re not allowed to do in unlicensed bands. They can’t plausibly add even more functions in this area and still sell to the public. Presumably all of the interfaces they added are for users to add the functions under their own responsibility.

[koziserek]

For what reason? When I buy a hammer in hardware store, can smash all the windows of parked cars nearby..

[pocksuppet]

They don't care what the product can technically do, they care what people think it does, if it can actually do that. The Flipper Zero is openly advertised as a hacking device.

Governments should not be understood as if(!follows_law) punish(); it's rather if(seems_bad) {if(follows_law) {change_law(); punish();} else punish();} else if(rand() < 0.1) punish();

[sterlind]

the `rand() < 0.1` bit rings lamentably true.

[mschuster91]

Regulatory authorities aren't exactly known to care, customs officials even less, and the laws backing both are sometimes damn insane, especially when anything RF is concerned.

There are countries where you technically need a ham radio license to import a radio, even if you are theoretically allowed to use it just to listen.

[Glohrischi]

And? Are you allowed to buy and own a gun because of your point you are trying to make?

No

In germany radio frequencies are also protected. For citizen band / CB above channel 40 you need to register yourself. Every radio device needs to be certified. The only people in germany allowed to build their own radio devices are people with a amateur radio license.

[margalabargala]

> Are you allowed to buy and own a gun because of your point you are trying to make?

> No.

Actually, most users of this site are. You're the odd one out here.

[tamimio]

Most likely you will have to buy the M2 adapters, for cellular, wifi, maybe zigbee and others radios, and you will switch between them, it’s also good for their profit but bad for your pocket.

[hatsuseno]

The page clearly describes how this is not a replacement or upgraded version of the flipper zero. It's a different kind of device.

[m463]

I wonder if that means they can sell them on amazon now.