[sergeym]

Regardless of the minimal time with LLMs, I think he hit major points on importance of clarity of abstractions, unreliability, shipping more features and working harder than even and losing touch with the underlying implementation.

[LuminaNAO]

Yeah there has to be a middle ground. Agentic engineering you could say is that middle ground, you know your code base and inspect it often. Isn't vibe coding treating your code as a black box where your prompts are the only interface? Sometimes I vibe code if the task is simple, if I'm doing serious work then I'm inspecting the code often. I don't think I will ever do "pure" coding ever again unless I'm in an env that is too secure to trust an agent to exist there.

[Aurornis]

If you are vibecoding an app without talking to anyone, those are problems.

This is still missing the point that LLM use isn't a binary choice between YOLO vibecoding or complete abstinence from LLM use.