[Cappybara12]

I had the same reaction when I came to know. IMO, the panel is interesting cause Kaiser wasn’t especially dismissive of the Post-Transformer side, in his rebuttal he explicitly said he was “very sympathetic” to their arguments.

He also more or less conceded Adrian’s framing that we still haven’t had a real “PageRank moment for intelligence” yet even while defending Transformers as the strongest thing that currently works and scales on the current hardware.

One of the sharpest lines in the whole debate is probably Llion’s version of the local-minimum argument: Kaiser may be right up until the day a real breakthrough arrives and then wrong forever.