[sevenzero]

Doomer position? You are aware that the climate catastrophe is a known fact since decades? People in the 70s knew about it, and what did humanity do about it? Spreading propaganda about how earth always had hot and cold periods. It's a narrative many still support today. Even +3C is a massive change resulting in many many catastrophes. As I wrote, we will witness water wars and mass migrations. You can call it a doomer position, I call it reality.

[lloeki]

That there will be consequences either way isn't up for debate, I think you lot both agree on that.

The issue that is being taken is about "too little too late", which is being interpreted as "since even in the best case scenario we're going to have dramatic consequences, any action is going to be fruitless", the counterpoint being that the new best case scenario (which is not a good one because it is late to take action, and is mostly equivalent to what once was thought to be the worst case) is still much less worse than the new worst case one.

[InsideOutSanta]

You're both correct. It's too late to stop dire effects like wars and global mass migration, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything. It means we should start doing everything we can right now to prevent it from getting even worse.

[solumunus]

They’re referring to your attitude around reducing fossil fuel usage. “We’re screwed anyway so there’s no point”.

[keybored]

Do-nothing doomerism and do-something extreme pessimism are qualitatively different.

[GoblinSlayer]

We have overpopulation anyway.

[zulux]

The solution starts very, very close to home.