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by godelski 26 days ago 

  > it was at the time nowhere near sufficient to to deliver L4 autonomy
It still isn't. Show me a video based only vision system that's even L3. Current systems like Waymo are using video, radar, and lidar. Even lidar isn't enough. Each of them provides a different benefit. I mean radar can even do something humans can't, see in fog, why would you not want radar? And I mean at that time Tesla was using 1.2MP cameras...

Truth is what they did was impressive, but given their constraints, but the constraints were self-imposed and unnecessary. So it's more impressive in the way that it is impressive when someone that was shot crawled their way to the hospital. Still impressive even if they shot themselves, but it sure does make you feel a little different...
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Fricken 26 days ago
The original Autopilot team had some great talent. Elon fired them and then sued them because they wouldn't shut up about Lidar. Elon couldn't say "Every new Tesla is FSD ready" if every new Tesla needed Lidar for that to be true, that was the constraint.

The Woz was on TV in an interview saying he bought 2 Model 3s, one for himself and one he could put to work after the robotaxi update. Regular everyday suckers too were taking on crippling debt to buy Teslas because their cars were gonna pay for themselves after the magical update.

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joe_mamba 26 days ago
>The original Autopilot team had some great talent. Elon fired them and then sued them because they wouldn't shut up about Lidar.

OK, so then why didn't Karpathy also leave in protest? Unless he also supported Elon's decision in which case he's complicit and just as responsible as ELon.

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Fricken 26 days ago
Karpathy didn't leave in protest because he was the guy hired to replace the protesters. His job was to be a credible technical authority on ML backstopping the sales pitch that Full Self-driving could be achieved on Tesla's hardware.
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joe_mamba 26 days ago
Well then, if he chose to be the fall guy and trade his honor and credibility in exchange for Elon's money and Tesla's prestige at the time while the going was good, why the defense for him now?

He dug his own grave and fell into it.

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Fricken 26 days ago
"Karpathy was either BSing for money, or he actually believed the hype. Either way it was a bad look."

That's from top comment in this thread. I'm not sure how you got the impression I was defending him.

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