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by reconnecting 23 days ago
Until they prefer not to search. Let me explain using the example of the open-source security framework (1) our team is working on.

If you ask Gemini what you should use to integrate fraud prevention or account takeover protection into your product, there will be no mention of our open-source project. Five years in development, 1.3k stars, over 140 pull requests — all this isn't enough to make it into the training data. From this perspective, any technology that emerges after 2024 is simply invisible to LLMs.

The answer is: without being in the training data, LLMs basically don't understand what they're searching for.

1. https://github.com/tirrenotechnologies/tirreno
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ordersofmag 23 days ago
I just put the terribly generic query "what tools would you recommend to integrate fraud prevention or account takeover protection into my product" into both Claude (Sonnet) and Gemini (3.1 Pro) via the standard web interface and both took the first step of searching the web. That's consistent with my past experience -- the usual harnesses typically will search the web in cases where I might expect/want them to. Now whether you product has good web visibility or not in those searches and how the LLM's weigh the relative merits of open-source tools versus commercial offerings in deciding what to highlight in their responses is a different issue. As is the change in what constitutes effective SEO in an era where bots, rather then human eyes are the proximal important target. But I don't think the core issue with folks finding your products is the move away from user-driven search toward using models with out-of-date training cutoffs.

FWIW while neither model included your product in it's initial response, when I followed up with "what about open-source" both did another search and Claude's response included your tool....

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reconnecting 23 days ago
> while neither model included your product in it's initial response, when I followed up with "what about open-source"

You just proved that LLMs don't know about the product (which is fine), but they don't even know the category exists.

It's like driving a car whose mirrors show a two-year-old reflection and insisting they work fine.

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