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by snovv_crash 34 days ago
I get a strong LLM smell in your description. If you couldn't bother to write it, why should I bother to read it?
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I definitely use LLMs to help write things - but this is my draft!

Maybe I've been spending too much time reading the evals and I now sound like an LLM...

Either way, here I am - happy to answer any questions!

I guess it's that, and yes, much as they learned speech patterns from us, now we start to learn from them.

I play with local models a lot but also have limited time and the conciseness, polish and human indication in presentation has become a major quality indicator. I've wasted too much time with slop projects or people's LLM-induced delusions and now take a pretty strict line on what I'm willing to spend my time on. Even if this ends up with some false positives, there's just so much happening these days it doesn't really matter...

Best of luck with Forge!

I do not hold with the detractors. I've personally known people who write like this since before LLMs were a thing. I rarely use LLMs, and come from the days of "expert systems" and the tail end of when universities had hundreds of typewriters in a room.

So perhaps, that's my bias: towards a former reality.

I often find myself wondering at a random HN commenter's flaming of a post for being full of AI slop, when the accused reads like normalspeak to my half-old eyes.

If you are so outright against using AI, why would he care if you read his article about AI?
AI usage is great. The problem is the asymmetry in effort between generating text automatically, and then further amplifying this via posting it, while then expecting human eyeballs to spend the time reading it. It is antisocial.

If you're generating AI text you shouldn't expect humans that you aren't paying to bother reading it, purely out of politeness. Brian Cantrill has a great piece on this: https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0576

Thank you for mentioning it. Too bad you got downvoted to hell as usual when anybody dares to do it.

The original post and every comment by OP is so full of AI slop ("the biggest surprise!", "one thing I didn't expect!", "the biggest challenge!", etc. etc.") that is absolutely painful to read. I still can't believe most people (especially here on HN, I thought we were a bit better than this) can't notice all this stuff.

What's much worse, it's that all these people posting this useless slop are so dishonest ("I definitely use LLMs to help write things - but this is my draft!") that it makes me really nauseous... This is the worst time to be an internet user if you have more than 2 points of IQ.

I'm sorry you feel that way about my posts - hopefully you still find the work valuable. Still human here btw, and still 100% honest.
Just saying you’re not alone, very surprised by the reception given how brutally sloppified the OP is.

Interesting problems space but I hope the author just gives dot points next time rather than bloating it and losing most of its meaning.