[throwa356262]

Do we know the "fraudulent " requests really came from moonshot engineers and was not QA team running a ton of benchmarks against other models?

I feel distilling something as big as Opus would require many many more samples, but I dont really know much about this subject

[maxdo]

sure, sounds like QA lol

Scale: Over 3.4 million exchanges

The operation targeted:

Agentic reasoning and tool use Coding and data analysis Computer-use agent development Computer vision Moonshot (Kimi models) employed hundreds of fraudulent accounts spanning multiple access pathways. Varied account types made the campaign harder to detect as a coordinated operation. We attributed the campaign through request metadata, which matched the public profiles of senior Moonshot staff. In a later phase, Moonshot used a more targeted approach, attempting to extract and reconstruct Claude’s reasoning traces.

[ta20240528]

And when you here unsubstantiated rumours* that ­say Anthropic has been sending exchanges to say Alibaba's Qwen, will you als oconclude the same about the entire US AI industry?

I doubt it.

* publish the logs.

[ifwinterco]

Even if it's true, it's not like US AI companies can complain, given their entire business is based on ripping off text without attribution

[maxdo]

chinese ai is not doing the same? or they don't parse?

they do except they also send thousands of sex-spies to do espionage of this kind on the scale.

[ifwinterco]

Of course they’re also doing this, my point is this is a grubby business where ethics went out of the window a long time ago.

If you’re playing this game in 2026 you know the rules - anything goes

[ta20240528]

"they also send thousands of sex-spies"

Could they send one (or two) my way?