[SanjayMehta]

Define "won the war"

Russia's definition or the western concept of land grab.

Putin laid it out very clearly in his speeches. They are not interested in a land grab, they want to denazify The Ukraine and liberate the Russian speaking regions.

Denazification means more banderaites and by extension no more NATO.

[general1465]

> Putin laid it out very clearly in his speeches

Target has been conquering Kyiv and installing pro-russian vassal government like in Belarus. He tried to, as we have seen first 3 months, but spectacularly failed.

Everything after first 3 months is grinding war to save face without a clearly defined target.

[SanjayMehta]

Sorry, wrong. The first target was to get back control of the Russian speaking regions, which is ongoing.

What you're saying is what Western media has made up since day one. Per usual.

The second target is denazification. Which means getting rid of the Nuland installed regime.

[general1465]

So why there has been a push to Kyiv at the beginning instead of push for conquering rest of the Donbas? Western media probably made that one too?

[SanjayMehta]

*no more banderaites