[don_esteban]

Is it truly 'US Navy securing safe shipping for everyone'? From whom? Where?

When was the last time they actually did that?

> 'because there would be no America to come help and save the day'

No more American meddling would result in much saner and safer world. Wherever they stick their fingers, the instability and wars ensue.

> pay to play and a global American security tax That's the current world.

[protocolture]

>Is it truly 'US Navy securing safe shipping for everyone'? From whom? Where?

Imagination land.

>No more American meddling would result in much saner and safer world. Wherever they stick their fingers, the instability and wars ensue.

We need the USA to defend us against the results of the USA defending us.

[ericmay]

The US is not:

Forcing Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon, load up on missiles and drones and then use them to attack Gulf neighbors, destabilize Lebanon, Syria, or Iraq, or fund terrorists as recognized by both the United States and European Union (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis).

Forcing North Korea to murder and starve its citizens and deprive them of medicine, food, and access to education and more. Nor is it forcing North Korea to go send Korean soldiers to die for Putin's war in Ukraine.

Speaking of - the US isn't forcing Russia to invade and murder Ukrainians.

The US didn't force Maduro to come to power and create a humanitarian crises in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the population fleeing as refugees, nor did the US force their economy to be mismanaged for the enrichment of Maduro and his cronies.

The US isn't forcing China to threaten Taiwan.

There are plenty of other things. But without the US, China invades Taiwan, Ukraine falls (don't forget, it was the English and Americans who were flying in weapons and other equipment round-the-clock while Europe was having meetings to decide what to meet about), Iran obtains a nuclear weapon and seizes the Strait permanently or at least kicks off a nuclear arms race in the Gulf, and thugs like Maduro continue to kill and impoverish people throughout South America.

[protocolture]

>Forcing Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon

It is actually. Iran can see that their only viable path to stability is nuclear deterrence. This attack makes it more obvious.

>North Korea to murder and starve its citizens and deprive them of medicine, food, and access to education and more

No murder and starvation are US domestic policies.

>The US didn't force Maduro to come to power and create a humanitarian crises in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the population fleeing as refugees, nor did the US force their economy to be mismanaged for the enrichment of Maduro and his cronies.

How far down into non sequitur are you at this point.