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by ordu
39 days ago
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Thomas Kuhn wrote about workings of science as of a social institution, how science accepts paradigms and rejects them, not how anti-science activists do. I don't think it is relevant in any way. Scientists are expected to stick to the scientific method. Anti-science doesn't have a method, it is just a reactionary movement, moreover it is not a movement, it is a lot of movements. Consecutive movements oftentimes are unaware of their predecessors. Different structures, different motives, different dynamics, they are too different to generalize them into one bucket. > Scientific awareness does change the outcome; just not 100% and not all at the same time. It is a pretty big claim. I don't see you (or anyone) can provide a single example for it. The trouble is science doesn't have tools to prove counterfactual "if science was unaware the outcome would be different". This problem affect my opposite statement too: we can't prove that outcome wouldn't be different. Still, I believe, that I'm right: I talked a lot with different people of different views, and I don't think that any scientific awareness can stop them to be anti-science. They have their own motives to be anti-science, any scientific awareness doesn't address their motives. In most cases people either invested in anti-science views somehow, or it is something deeper on the level on self-actualization, like they exercise their free will to prove to themselves they have a free will. Both reasons have nothing to do with the truth or scientific awareness. |
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Contrary to your claim, anti-science does have methods/processes/techniques since it is a movement(s) with a definite goal(s). Wikipedia gives the details - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiscience
What don't you understand from my statement "Scientific awareness does change the outcome; just not 100% and not all at the same time."? It is self-evident if you had actually read Kuhn or Poincare. The "outcome" referred to is the acceptance of scientific theory/model under discussion; "just not 100%" means all aspects of the theory/model might not be accepted initially pending further experimental validation and "not all at the same time" means the acceptance of the theory/model happens over a period of time.
> The trouble is science doesn't have tools to prove counterfactual "if science was unaware the outcome would be different". This problem affect my opposite statement too: we can't prove that outcome wouldn't be different.
This makes no sense at all. The various scientific theories/models have changed people's lives, civilizations/world etc. most definitely. It just happens over a period of time as more and more people buy into the new theory/model and/or see proofs of its correctness via technological advances.
As regards your last few lines w.r.t. sections of the anti-science crowd; it is easily explained by agendas (religious, political etc.), propaganda and plain old stupidity/pigheadedness. As the ditty goes; if you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the laws and if you have neither, pound the table.