[mooktakim]

American navy has blockaded countries all over the world, so it's more true that they closed international waters. Waters were open before America existed. If Americans would actually learn their history they would see that the USA blockade was the reason Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, as the Japanese needed the water to open and thought taking out Pearl Harbour would prevent the US Navy controlling the Pacific. Japan attacked the American base, USA attacked Japanese civilians with nukes.

[kortilla]

Nukes were not a response to Pearl Harbor.

The framing in general of “Japan only took military action and the US sank to attacking civilians” is wrong too. Take a look at what Japan did to the Chinese during that time period if you think they were only attacking military targets.

Japan also invaded an Alaskan island. https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2010/06/07/the-japanese-...

[mooktakim]

Are you saying USA cared about the Chinese? Japan had already surrendered before US nuked them

[kortilla]

No, Japan had not surrendered before the bombs. There is no evidence of that in Japanese or western history. Where are you getting that from?

> Are you saying USA cared about the Chinese?

I’m saying it was not beneath Japan to commit horrific atrocities on civilians. You can’t pretend they were some high moral actor that was only performing a military action to defend themselves.

[mooktakim]

Did I say the Japanese were good guys? Everything the Japanese did, UK, USA and other European countries have done worse. They're still doing it. Going back to the original reply, US Navy only benefited the US by screwing over the rest of the world

[Jensson]

It was the US that made all these countries stop committing atrocities, so they are the good guys.

World war 2 was the war of 3 different evil ideologies, you had the fascists vs the communists vs the imperialist England and France. The war ended with both the Imperialists and the Fascists defeated so European imperialism ended there, England and France had to give up their colonies.

If not for USA likely Europe would still have colonies and just be as imperialist as they used to be, same with Japan. USA might not be as good as these defeated imperialists, but it was still USA that ended the age of European imperialism that was so much worse than anything USA has done since ww2.

(I'm a European)

[dpark]

> Waters were open before America existed.

A huge part of the reason sovereign nations built navies was to fight piracy. It’s not really true that waters were open historically.

[mooktakim]

Are you saying there are no pirates now? US navy has solved all the world's problems? The blockades have killed millions of people, even in the last 30 years. When US sanctioned Iraq after the first war, they killed 500k people every year, and then US invaded Iraq on lies. The world would be safer without the US Navy.

[akkartik]

Your first comment was good but here you're not responding to GP.

[_DeadFred_]

"Waters were open before America existed."

The United States formed our Navy because of Islamic Pirate/Slavers causing a lack of open waters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_corsairs

"The Barbary threat led directly to the United States founding the United States Navy in March 1794."

[mooktakim]

Have you tried reading anything other than Wikipedia

[mooktakim]

US navy literally doing piracy right now taking ships in international waters, destroying boats in Venezuela and Trump admitting to piracy.

[mooktakim]

Lol let's not talk about slavery when it comes to the USA

[_DeadFred_]

We should always talk about, challenge, and address slavery. Always.

[subroutine]

Why would you post such nonsense given how easy it is these days to determine bullshit? By the time of Pearl Harbor, Japan was formally aligned with Nazi Germany. Japan, Germany, and Italy signed the Tripartite Pact in Sept 1940 creating the Axis alliance. Pearl Harbor happened in Dec 1941, so Japan had been formally tied to Germany for more than a year.

“The American navy closed international waters.” Not in the Pearl Harbor context. Before Pearl Harbor the U.S. was not conducting a naval blockade of Japan that closed international waters. The U.S. cut off Japan from US oil in July 1941. That is not the same thing as the U.S. Navy closing the Pacific.

“The USA blockade was the reason Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.” False. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because it wanted to neutralize the U.S. Pacific Fleet while Japan seized the "Southern Resource Area”, especially oil-rich East Indies, Malaya and other regions in the pacific. The U.S. oil embargo might have played a small factor, but that wasn't a US-only thing; various countries were increasingly unwilling to sell oil and other resources to Nazi-aligned Japan while they were attempting to conquer China and most of the Southeast Pacific.

[mooktakim]

Japan didn't have any problems with USA because USA was not part of allied forces. In fact USA sold weapons to both UK and Germans. USA only joined after Pearl Harbour. Japan attacked because US Navy prevented oil being shipped to Japan, Japan had no other source.

[subroutine]

The U.S. Navy did not blockade Japan or “prevent oil being shipped” by closing the seas. The U.S. imposed an oil embargo and froze Japanese assets after Japan expanded its war in China and moved to invade other pacific countries. Surely you can understand why that was a good thing.

[mooktakim]

Good thing for whom? Who tf is US to embargo anyone.

[subroutine]

A good thing for anyone who isn't a Nazi simp or a fan of authoritarian takeovers and imperial rule.

[mooktakim]

Like how USA is occupied by Zionists