[seanclayton]

Ukraine also gave up its nukes. Look how that worked out for them and Europe.

[severino]

Were they theirs? Germany has nukes too but they're not theirs, they're from the US. Germany can't say "fuck off" to the ~50k Americans stationed in the country, leave NATO and get to keep the nukes.

[nkrisc]

If a country has nuclear weapons and can unilaterally launch them, then they are theirs. Who’s gonna come take them?

[severino]

Who told you Ukraine had the ability to launch the nuclear weapons from the Soviet Union that happened to be deployed to its territory?

[akimbostrawman]

>can unilaterally launch them

Germany can't launch or even operate and maintain them without the US.