[rob_c]

> some nuanced point

it's not nuanced to point out a very large statement which at the time was very VERY anti-trumpian and pro ultra-left, lest not forget "hug a tourist", "lets change the popular naming conventions to technical" and, "oh crap too late now human to human is higher than anything we've seen before" which is basically all memory holed now

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[rob_c]

> the anti-mask wackos

Well thank you for your service to stupidity. The only measure of worth was actual social distancing which was quickly admonished by the pointless mask arguments as nauseum. No, there is no science good to bad to back up things which are broken by common sense, virii spread in Japan at the same rate as the west after accounting for population densities. (faster without the correction as you'd expect) So let's just move on.

Please, oh please, do not start with some form of "the masses seek to be ruled". The only, only end of that game is to justify totalitarianism which is often what those arguing the point are stupid enough to believe they are arguing against.

If you're going to make an argument for they need lead then yes. And we need both control in the dining water. But we'll never see my version of an idealised advancing civilisation because of "mah feels", "personal experiences" and such drivel.

You may not be used to hearing this but if I was to be grading you you'd get a pass for a coherent sentence but a fail for correctness and coherency, in short. You are wrong.

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> The only measure of worth was actual social distancing

It's been conclusively shown that N95+ masks block the virus particles. IIRC the coherent anti-masking arguments were of the form that they were not necessary for general population, not that they did not work. If you want to point me to some research that shows masks are ineffective in eg healthcare settings, go right ahead.

In my experience, anti-masking behavior was also strongly associated with people who wouldn't social distance, because we're really talking about proxies for "this is real and I am trying to take prudent measures".

> do not start with some form of "the masses seek to be ruled"

So then how do you explain the current embrace of open fascism? The many disingenuous appeals to lofty ideals of individual freedom, that when followed culiminate in support for autocratic authoritarianism? I sure fucking wish people would choose the individualist enlightened freedom path when presented, but they always seems to go sideways.

> The only, only end of that game is to justify totalitarianism

NGOs and government public health authorities issuing non-binding advice is not totalitarian, and calling it so in the context of the current political climate in the US is preposterous. Only about half of US states had any form of lockdown, yet from the amount it was talked about we can see where the bulk of the histrionics lay.

[rob_c]

No. Not at all. The simulations were based on old data with the artificial cut off. The particles were and are much much smaller. Please don't recite rhetoric and do some reading.

And frankly I'm saddened that you're arguing for an educated by tryany and trying to make things political which are simply fact based