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by Filligree 24 days ago
The countries that do pay for it don’t have significantly higher fertility rates.

I’d say there’s an elephant in the room: Childbirth sucks. If you want women to willingly subject themselves to that, you need either a culture that virtually requires it-

And I want to take a moment to emphasise that I don’t like nor want this solution, and would fight anyone who tries for it.

-or you need to pay them well above the actual economic cost of rearing a child, because the process itself is strongly negative. Yes, having a child itself can be great. Eventually, several years in, when they start to become a person.

That’s true, but if you ask any of the women I know, they’ll tell you they’re perfectly happy to keep it at one.

That’s in Norway, by the way, so not one of those countries where you get zero support.

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There are no countries that come close to actually paying for it. There are countries that pay for 5% of it, and in those, indeed they don't have significantly higher fertility rates.
What countries are actually paying any significant amount? 200€ per month would not cover costs of rising a kid.
Then disappear into the night, others still value having descendants above economic calculus.
please point out the country which pays for adequate housing and other necessities for a family with 4 children, adequate childcare support (or pays one parent to stay at home fulltime), and sufficient guaranteed sick leave.