[spwa4]

It goes quite a bit further: the Muslim Brotherhood are fascists (as in actual fascists) and (religous) racists, of the supremacist kind. They are in control of the most famous university in islamic countries: Al-Azhar. Long ago they were a supporter of Adolf Hitler, and today are known for being the parent organization of Hamas and they are supporting the genocide in Sudan (meaning they are sponsoring Arabs committing genocides on black Africans (muslim black Africans if that matters), because they're black)

They are considered a terrorist organization by most countries, including their host country of Egypt.

[za3faran]

No, they do not control Al-Azhar.

[ebbi]

Read his replies below. Total grifter, that just makes up things and can't provide sources when probed.

[ebbi]

Are Zionists fascists, and (religious) racists? Just a yes or no will be fine.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Are Zionists fascists, and (religious) racists?

Muslim Brotherhood is a coherent organisation, so we can meaningfully talk about its beliefs. Asking whether "Zionists" are fascist is as incohrent as asking if Antifa "believes" in anything. These aren't coherent organisations, just loose collections of aligned folks.

Fundamentally, nothing about Zionism strikes me as requiring fascism or religious supremacy (though it does require religious segregation).

[ebbi]

> These aren't coherent organisations, just loose collections of aligned folks.

Yeah, there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist. There's no state in the Middle East born from this ideology. There aren't political organisations that bribe US politicians to influence US government. There aren't organisations that hose real estate meetings in Synagogues to sell illegal lands for people to make Aliyah.

Definitely just a loose collection of aligned folks. Yep.

[JumpCrisscross]

> there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist

That you have to put up straw men sort of proves my point.

Yes, there are coherent Zionist organisations (including political parties and lobbying groups). Some (perhaps many, hell, maybe even most) of these are fascist and ethno-religious supremacist. We can make meaningful statements about them because, as you said, they're "coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist".

Trying to expand that to "Zionists" in general isn't meaningful unless you're constructing a totem to pillory.

[ebbi]

Where's the straw man?

I wonder what the underlying ideology of Zionism is that makes these Zionist organisations all act in the same way, for the same cause.

It seems you don't know what Zionism is, or just purposely deflecting because you do know what it is, but carrying out Hasbara here.

[spwa4]

Oh, are we allowed to call beliefs bad and lump everyone with that belief under the same umbrella now?

Say, in a totally random question: what does islam say muslims should do to the world? And should we, yes or no, hold anyone holding that opinion responsible?

[JumpCrisscross]

> there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist >> Where's the straw man?

Nobody argued "there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist." That's literally how straw men work.

> makes these Zionist organisations all act in the same way

I haven't seen this level of coherence. But I also haven't seen anyone argue this properly. Instead it's always this "I have secret knowledge" nonsense.

> seems you don't know what Zionism is

Quite possibly. I've read the Wikipedia and have discussed it with Egyptian, Jordanian and Israeli acquaintances in America and Europe. I haven't seen anything to suggest it can be considered a philosophically, methodologically or politically unified movement in anything but its aim of establishing a Jewish nation-state, a goal which isn't inherently fascist or religious supremacist (but which is, again, inherently segregationist, though so is arguably an nation-building exercise).

Again, I think the analogy to folks who rail against Antifa as if it's a coherent ideology and organisation is apt. If you press any of those people for an explanation, you get similar 'you don't know what Antifa is' and 'you're probably Antifa' deflections. (Note: I'm not attacking you per se. I'm attacking the rhetoric. I'm engaging because I have a hint of a sense that you know something interesting that I'd like to learn.)

[thrance]

The Zionist project is one of settler-colonialism, that seeks to displace/eliminate the Palestinian population from its land to establish a Jewish ethno-state in its place. Sounds pretty fascist and supremacist to me.

[DSingularity]

How antisemitic. You aren’t allowed to critique them. Yes even if they rape their prisoners and defend their rapists in parliament and on TV.

[propagandist]

"We will build an ethnostate and if you don't like that, you're a Nazi."

[johnyzee]

This is ridiculous. The only ones afraid of the Muslim Brotherhood are Middle Eastern dictatorships, who would rather not see a political movement take popular hold.