[qsera]

>just disagree that more people are sick now..

There are more sickness inducing things in air, water and food. And it is not slowing down. We are adding more and more of it..Look up "Regrettable substitution", and that is exactly as hopeless as it sounds...

So regulations are not doing shit.

So given that, and the basic implication that consuming more sickness inducing stuff would make more people sick, why do you need additional proof that people will get more and more sick going forward?

[pixl97]

>There are more sickness inducing things in air, water and food.

I mean, just no. Unfortunately I don't have a time machine to kick your ass back 300 years ago to a city like London so you get to experience it for yourself.

[qsera]

>I mean, just no.

What exactly are you claiming? Environmental pollution was more 300 years ago than it is now?

[defrost]

The claim is twofold, that London, a major capital city, arguably the largest most important city at that time, had little to no functional sewerage, turds floating down the Thames, people drinking cholera straight from the pump, etc.

Which was true at that time.

The second part of the claim is that is no longer the case for London, and somewhat implied is that few other large capitals of the world have such extreme issues now as London has had in the past.

London may have cleaned up, but that'd be a stretch for several large modern cities in India, South America, Indonesia, etc. that are straining their civic infrastructure or applying unevenly.

Globally, in total mass (or other measures) environmental pollution is "worse" now - just largely less visible (pushed from the G20 out to other countries) or dismissed (carbon dioxide is good for plants!! (etc.)).

[qsera]

>turds floating down the Thames

Dude, what are you saying? Just boil the water and you are golden.

But you cannot remove the poisons in the industrial waste dumped into rivers by boiling or filtering. People are totally helpless now.

[defrost]

> you cannot remove the poisons in the industrial waste dumped into rivers by boiling or filtering.

That's why those methods aren't used.

> People are totally helpless now.

Depends on the country, some will regulate industry and insist on properly constructed separation ponds and heavy metal bioremediation.