[stevefan1999]

Well, Dario Amodei used to work in Baidu's SVAIL lab, and he certainly noticed the shady side of Chinese business practices and how he already has a prejudice that the Chinese are unfaithful. As a Chinese myself I don't really want to blame him because I know how's that working out first hand too.

[faangguyindia]

In business nobody can be expected to be faithful. Funny enough I've never been screwed over by chinese but a plenty of times by Europeans and americans. Despite the fact I deal with Chinese more.

[thenthenthen]

Same experience here.

[orbital-decay]

Dario Amodei himself has a great incentive to lie (FUD and denying the others the AI R&D, also his nationalism is well known from his geopolitical rants). In particular, he claimed without presenting any evidence that DeepSeek is distilling Claude, but if you know anything about those two models you know they have absolutely nothing in common (especially the CoT).

One of these statements is true: 1. DS have found a secret way to distill models while not making them write similarly to the source, and are hiding it. 2. Dario Amodei is lying through his teeth. Considering that all previous known attempts at making reward models from other model outputs were easily visible (Gemini 2 experimentals from Claude and GLM 4.6+ from Gemini 2.5/3.0, both took a lot of character from source models and GLM even copied Google's prompt injections), DeepSeek are remarkably open, and DeepSeek v4 is pretty consistent in character with 3.1+, suggesting similar post-training, statement 2 seems to be way more likely.

Previously Sam Altman claimed the same about DS v3, also without any evidence and the models were nothing alike as well.