[IanCal]

If it helps I understand the second much better and feels less clickbaity and includes more info. I do agree with the points you made about the confusion although I find frontier a term used in this area a lot, “frontier AI models have” would probably resolve that.

[Jenk]

If the title simply said "AI is out-performing humans at CTF" then none of this confusion exists. Nothing is "broken," we don't need to be superfluous with "frontier," and the point is still there.

[IanCal]

But the article is arguing it is broken. That’s the point. You can disagree but that’s very much that the author is writing about, not a curiosity, and that it’s these top models that are not custom security models.

[nine_k]

It's like "Forklifts outperform humans in weightlifting". The problem, of course, is that a forklift is much easier to spot among athletes than an AI among CTF players.

[mrgoldenbrown]

CTF competitions and leaderboards are broken. Major competitions have stopped. Top competitors have dropped out.

[jofzar]

Imo frontier is too niche and specific, if you know what a frontier model means then it's fine, but if you don't then it's negative/detrimental to the title.

"new" does the same thing and is probably just a better descriptor then frontier

[jack_pp]

if you are on HN and have no idea what "frontier model" would mean maybe it's time you found out.

[hbbio]

I also misread the updated title.

"Frontier models break the open CTF format" is good

"Frontier AI..." means wtf is Frontier AI.

Because of course it exists (just googled it): https://frontierai.company/

[rockskon]

But then you're not acting as a billboard promoting AI. Isn't that partly the point?