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	by pram 26 days ago
	The NYT (and Judith Miller) was one of the most shameless shills of the Iraq War, laundering complete bullshit and lies. It’s not completely bad, there have been outstanding individuals, and the election coverage is still the best imo, but there is no reason to believe the organization has higher integrity than the rest of the MSM.

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bonsai_spool 26 days ago

> The NYT (and Judith Miller) was one of the most shameless shills of the Iraq War, laundering complete bullshit and lies. It’s not completely bad, there have been outstanding individuals, and the election coverage is still the best imo, but there is no reason to believe the organization has higher integrity than the rest of the MSM.

Very respectfully, as pre-teen at the time, I recognized that there was no real reason for going from 9/11 to Afghanistan or Iraq... based on my then daily reading of NYT. And I am sure there were opinion articles in that same paper that said we were rushing towards something that demanded deeper reflection.

Fundamentally, I don't think the job of a newspaper is to think for us.

All the absurdities of that time were, in fact, news. What wasn't present at the time was a link to justify the inane war we began. And that link is still absent, which we are all collectively realizing.

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genewitch 26 days ago

the General Wesley Clark 7: https://youtu.be/Eo6u9DpASp8?t=69

"7 countries in 5 years; Iraq Syria Lebanon Libya Somalia Sudan and finishing off with Iran"

well here we are 25 years later finally getting around to that last one...

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DANmode 25 days ago

> based on my then daily reading of NYT

and if you’d only read the first headlines on the frontpage during that time?

or…less?

Like the majority of voters?

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