[treis]

Replace Iran with Iraq and this was all true 25 years ago. And that was an actual failure.

Fundamentally nothing has changed about the world or the relationship between the US and its allies. Once Trump is replaced by someone closer to European social values and less of an asshole the temperature will change. Just like it did from Bush to Obama.

[gbnwl]

Can you really look yourself in the mirror and say with a straight face that fundamentally nothing has changed about the relationship between the US and its allies? Do you really think Europeans will be quick to forgive the wrongs of this administration? They’ve lost faith in our political system and will, rightfully so, do everything in their power to disentangle with us. The problem with your theory is that they know even if Trump is replaced by someone closer to European social values, our electorate could just as easily completely reverse course in 4 years. It literally already happened. Bush never threatened to annex European territory with military force as far as I can tell. But I understand why in these chaotic times you’d want to gravitate towards hopeful fictions.

[treis]

Yes. Nothing fundamentally has changed about the US/Europe relationship for 80 years. Trump being a royal prick doesn't mean his message is fundamentally different than what any other president would send. If the US elects Kamala, for example, things quiet down and go back to normal almost immediately.