[lrivers]

I was on the Virtuoso team at Altsys. Until Freehand was murdered by Adobe, there was still a ton of NeXT flavor in it.

[WillAdams]

Yeah, I was a beta-tester for Freehand/MX and argued then that the NeXTstep code should have been revived to make a Cocoa app rather than the MacOS front-end to make a Carbon app.