[toss1]

Yeah

I also absolutely loath the coal-rollers and everything about what they do, and if I could snap my fingers and have them lose both their trucks and their licenses to drive with no other consequences beyond their frustration, I'd do it.

Nevertheless, we cannot allow this good reason for which be both agree to be used as a wedge to let the state just wholesale collect data for whatever reason they want.

Very soon, the reason the state wants to wholesale collect data will be for a reason we entirely disagree. That is not an "IF", it is a "WHEN".

So, no, this isn't a justification.

Very soon, that ca

[riversflow]

Collecting crime data is already in their purview. Thats literally what this is. If this was an app that primarily facilitated contract murder, this would be obviously justifiable. Seems to me you and many others here just don’t actually believe in the states regulatory authority of digital things, like the computer in your car.

[toss1]

>>the states regulatory authority of digital things, like the computer in your car

Umm, I most definitely agree with you to the extent the state can regulate automobiles, as in the present example for emissions, the state can regulate the computers that control those emissions.

This is a question of a dragnet of all data from a seller of generic modification capability with reportedly far broader application than merely coal-rolling.

If the app was just "One-Click-Coal-Roller!", I'd agree — they should have access to every user name, address, etc., at least for their state.

Plus, even for a broader-use app, if the state had even a bit more specificity, even going after say, only users who connected the app to vehicles where this is the most common illegal modification (or if they have records of modified data, then data on changing emissions settings for pickup trucks), I'd allow it.

But wholesale data dragnets are just out of bounds in any reasonable democracy.

[bethekidyouwant]

But this isn’t actually to throw the coal rollers in jail and take away their trucks it’s to get witnesses so they can build a case to get this mod taken off the market

[xp84]

Yes. Supposedly they aren’t going to prosecute those people, though if I were them, I wouldn’t trust that promise.

But if they get this thing taken off the market, that’s a huge loss for all of us because there are a ton of things this type of tool enables, many of them things people like us would be very interested in. Such as disabling privacy-invasive telematics, or disabling features like stop start, which I can personally attest has caused significant repair issues with the engine on my last car.

Having access to a tool like this is to a car what having an administrator account is on a PC. Without it, you are merely a guest, not an owner of the system.

[sneak]

This is a lie. This is a way to get Apple and Google to not resist handing over bulk user data. Next it will be protest apps, or end-to-end encrypted messaging apps that aren't backdoored like iMessage is (e.g. Signal).