[NooneAtAll3]

fascinating how GrapheneOS achieves high security level on the same hardware where Google failed to even randomize android's kernel location

[jnwatson]

Randomizing the kernel location is of marginal utility at best. There are so many info leaks that KASLR ends up being only a small speed bump on the way to exploitation.

Here's a cool project that inventories all your KASLR info leaks: https://github.com/bcoles/kasld

[StilesCrisis]

It's easy to be secure if you just remove features. There's obvious tension here.

[Aachen]

Could you be any more specific about what features they've removed such that the hardening functions work? Because I think there are none

[StilesCrisis]

They're quite open about it. https://grapheneos.org/features#attack-surface-reduction

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

You said removing features. This link is talking about making certain feautures optional and disabled by default, not removing them.

[StilesCrisis]

Did you happen to notice the phrase "stripping out code" in the first sentence?

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

And which features have been removed, as you claim? Removing code is not necessarily removing features. I use GOS and I honestly can't think of a missing feature compared to the stock OS, other than stuff not in AOSP in the first place, like gemini.

[marysol5]

Disabled, is removed...

Removed from operation

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

Don't be ridiculous.

[Aachen]

> disabling optional features by default (NFC, Bluetooth, UWB, etc.), when the screen is locked (USB, USB-C, pogo pins, camera access) and optionally after a timeout (Bluetooth, Wi-Fi).

Erm, okay if this makes you think the phones don't have WiFi or NFC or something, you've been misinformed

[aftbit]

Is Graphene vulnerable to these exploits?

[fulafel]

The more interesting question is whether GrapheneOS had this vulnerability.

This published exploit sounds to be highly specialized to the specific build options.

[icf80]

google has lost its focus with pixel phones

[Aachen]

on selling ads or what do you mean their focus used to be that they've lost? I'm not at all negative about more paid features that they've been offering over time, from workspace to youtube to hardware. Still very conflicted about giving Google of all places my custom, but for e.g. phones it's hard to avoid and second-hand the prices are really quite competitive for a tangible hardware product (not a software subscription that you're stuck on). Not bad to shift focus to making these Pixel devices imo, so long as they remain open that is

[jeffbee]

KASLR isn't an effective mitigation against anything, and to me this is part of GrapheneOS's catalog of superficial but meaningless claims.

[ysnp]

I've not seen someone refer to a portion of GrapheneOS's mitigations as superficial and meaningless before. What might an OS with significant improvements to usable attack surface reduction and exploit mitigations look like to you? What sort of things (given a team of less than a dozen contending with OS updates, upgrades and device support) would you have liked to see implemented?

[saagarjha]

I feel like people who hate on KASLR are basically the IQ bell curve meme but you haven't really provided much evidence to show which tail you are on.