[hi41]

Much respect to Steve and the engineers at Apple. However, I hate using a product from Apple that actually causes me physical pain after using it. The magic mouse. I use that for 10 minutes and my palm and wrist hurt badly. Many have experienced the same symptoms and yet Apple hasn’t changed its design. I get that Apple is creative. Do they change their product design based on feedback from actual users in their creative process?

[ghaff]

I have an older magic mouse that I replaced with a Logitech one. I won't say the Apple one caused me pain after ten minutes but I really didn't like the design after using it for a while. Much more comfortable.

[SanjayMehta]

The Mighty Mouse (the one with the little trackball on the top) was so much better except for the weekly cleaning required. My last one died a few months ago.

I still use the first generation Magic Mouse when I have to, and I hate its sharp edges.

I don't know anyone who likes it, they usually say they prefer the trackpad.

[ghaff]

It helps that non-Windows trackpads were the first ones I could really use. (Deliberate phraseology; trackpads on Thinkpads running Linux worked pretty well for me too.)

Interestingly, seem to work better on Windows these days as I've discovered inadvertently. Bought a cheap used/surplus Thinkpad to install Linux and discovered it came pre-installed with Windows 11 and it actually works well.

Depends what I'm doing. I'm very happy just using a trackpad day to day but there are some things like photo editing where I prefer a mouse.

[SanjayMehta]

I have a Thinkpad style USB keyboard meant for server racks. Has a trackpad and that little joystick. It's only flaw is it that it's too old for that windows key.

[WillAdams]

There are newer versions which have that key: Lenovo Group Limited Lenovo ThinkPad Compact USB Keyboard with TrackPoint (I bought half-a-dozen the last time they were made so that I would be sure of having one in the future).

[SanjayMehta]

Are they as well built as the IBM ones? I saw a Thinkpad 14 recently, quite light and it felt flimsy. Different type of plastic.

[ghaff]

I think modern Thinkpads are still pretty solid laptops. I'm not going to make an argument that they're as solidly built as IBM Thinkpads of 20 years ago though they're probably more reliable overall.

[jameshart]

I’m so confused. Your complaint is that Apple don’t make a mouse that you like?

Are you in some situation where you are being forced to use a Magic Mouse?

Other manufacturers make mice in every form factor you can imagine. I don’t believe any apple product comes with a Magic Mouse bundled - you’re not forced in any way to buy one.

Apple don’t make any headphones that I like. I don’t feel like this is a failing on Apple’s part?

[paulryanrogers]

Magic Mouse isn't ergonomic. You can't use it plugged in. Its little ball gets dirty quickly and becomes hard to use. The buttons are hard to distinguish by touch.

Kind of surprising how bad it is since it's their official, heavily advertised option.

Thankfully the walled garden at least has ports for outside equipment.

[dfxm12]

Apple sells an ergo vertical mouse on their website. It's not made by them (it's Logitech), sure. There's are also different options depending on your needs, like the kenisis dxt mouse, a plethora of trackballs, etc. Why are you demanding Apple specifically reinvent an ergo mouse?

[biggoodwolf]

Logitech mx 1-4. You don't have to marry Apple

[matwood]

I’ve used the Magic Mouse for years and love it. I have no doubt that it is bad for you, but it’s also fine for many.

[wpm]

Thats me and the desktop trackpad, which lots of people seem to like.

[kstrauser]

I love my MacBook, and I despise Apple’s own pointing devices. I ended up getting a vertical mouse that completely solved the pain problem for me.