[827a]

Again, you missed the operand point: There are actually literally zero instances of companies enforcing a "we own all the code you write" clause against contributions to an open source project. For all the millions of software engineers and trillions of lines of code that have been written, there are zero cases of this happening. The reason why is because it is possible that a clause like this is unenforceable under these conditions; we don't know, its never been tried in court. It'd be a legal mess, and at the end of the day the most the company could (extremely unrealistically) lay claim to is some open source project they could already download for free (again, even that is unrealistic; more realistically is that they could lay claim to their employee's contributions, and the project would have to unwind them, but even that is extremely unlikely).

A clause like this might be unenforceable, but if you know anything about US employment contracts, you'll know: Companies will write EVERYTHING in these things. They don't give a shit. They don't care if its unenforceable. If it were socially agreeable they'd write in a clause forcing you to give up your first born child to the corporation, and then you'd say "Uh, no, you have no right to require that" and they'd say "Oh right yeah ok that's fine" and that's it. That is how employment contracts LITERALLY work. They just vibe write shit in them, because they can. Meanwhile employees treat them like like live ammo in a loaded gun the corporation is holding to their head.

Nine times out of ten if anything in an employment contract is going to be used against you, its going to be used to fire you, and that's where it ends. In that remaining 10%, its cases like "intentional corporate or international espionage where tens millions of dollars were lost to a competitor" It is actually fucking hilarious that you think anyone would want to spend the bajillions of dollars it costs to send lawyers into court because a little software engineer contributed some code to kubernetes at 4pm instead of 6pm. Bro: You're not that important. No one cares about you. Contribute the code.

[em-bee]

sorry i missed this comment and only saw it now.

There are actually literally zero instances of companies enforcing a "we own all the code you write" clause against contributions to an open source project.

the thread is about contributing to a project on company time in order to submit a change that the company needed. the fact that this work is owned by the company is not in dispute. it is 100% certain that the company owns that work because it was done in order to solve a company problem, and you most certainly got paid for it.

so the problem is not one of a company enforcing an "we own all the code you write" clause but the fact that as an employee you do not have the right to publish work the company owns, unless they give explicit permission. google for example does give explicit permission and does limit contributions to projects that have specific licenses. for example googlers are not allowed to contribute to AGPL projects.

as a project owner, i need the assurance that you do have permission from your employer. the fact that no employer has ever enforced ownership is irrelevant to me. if it is clear that you wrote that patch at work, i want to see your permission.