[disgruntledphd2]

> I also work at Meta. The chaos and instability is awful. But I think they could fire pretty much everyone and the ads business would still continue to grow at nearly the same rate.

I spent 5 years at Facebook (2013-18), and I can guarantee you that if you fired the sales teams, revenue would take a pretty large hit.

More generally my friend who was there till last year (at a pretty senior manager level) said that once the AAP thing happened with Apple, it got really really nasty.

Like, every company tends towards the median of it's geographies over time but Facebook was a pretty special place to work at back in the day, and it looks like a lot of that has been lost now.

[georgeburdell]

The median of its employees’ geographies is China. That’s how it got worse than your average maturing Bay Area company

[Freedom2]

Interesting. Could you elaborate on any specifics for this claim?

[carabiner]

996 culture, and Zuck has a particular fondness for China, Chinese people due to his wife.

[red-iron-pine]

the entre into the culture via his wife isn't anything to shake a stick at, but don't anthropomorphize the Zuck -- he's there because there are 1 billion people who already live in a surveillance state.

cheap programmers, long 996 hours, and access to the biggest market in the world.

[desolate_muffin]

ok so no evidence, just racist innuendo

[disgruntledphd2]

> The median of its employees’ geographies is China. That’s how it got worse than your average maturing Bay Area company

I mean, this was true when I joined in 2013. One guy I worked with was the only non-Chinese person working with the targeting team. So I really don't think it can be reduced to such a simple explanation.

To be honest, Facebook acquired lots more US business culture, and that's (personally) where I think lots of the rot came from.