[dotwaffle]

Cider (and p4/g4c etc) was amazing when I left back in 2020, I loved it so much, and truly miss it. I rejoined Google last year, and they'd replaced it with a VSCode clone that truly was just a glorified text editor and most were all-in on mercurial as a piper/citc shim -- I was only there for 5 months before I decided not to stay, and I never managed to get Go type definition hints working.

[aix1]

Google has also been systematically destaffing various language infra teams.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-fires-entire-python-te...

https://www.airs.com/blog/archives/670

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Kythe

etc

[hanwenn]

That is not quite the right word. For Python, the headcount was moved from the Bay Area (the most expensive place in the world to hire software engineers) to Munich (the most expensive place in Germany to hire SWEs.), for cost saving reasons.

[dotwaffle]

If you're the author of https://github.com/hanwen/go-fuse/ -- thank you :D

[VirusNewbie]

The problem is most SWEs in Germany are not as good as most SWEs in the Bay Area. :(

[jbstjohn]

Most of the engineers making most of the tools being praised in this thread are in Germany, so I don't think that generalization quite holds.

Even if the best SWEs are better in the Bay area, there's also a lot more competition for them, so Google in Germany might be able to get top 1% there (and in neighboring countries) but Google in the Bay Area is probably having a tough time getting even top 10%.

[VirusNewbie]

That's a good point, and why I'm happy to see remote offices pop up in many locations. The problem is the top .1% which can live anywhere, is often a poor representation of the depth of talent density.

[krzyk]

p4 makes me wake up at night screaming.

Similar to that IBM/Rational ClearCase, both are so unfriendly compared to subversion/cvs or git/mercurial that I always struggle to believe why someone would torture themselves using that. Probably admins love them because they allow some tooling to be added.