[tcp_handshaker]

>Seems strange to me that not everyone, including republicans, aren't aware of >this, when he's pretty outspoken about not wanting any more elections, and how >"if you vote for me this time, it'll be the last time you have to vote".

1) Puerto Ricans were called publicly on a Trump rally in New York, an "island of garbage" and they massively voted for Trump.

- Second generation Latinos, whose many parents, and grand parents and other close family are illegal immigrants, were repeatedly warned of what would happen, and its one of the constitutions, that massively voted for Trump...

- Trump continued to state, as late as 2024,that the Central Park Five were responsible for the 1989 rape of a woman in the Central Park jogger case, despite the five males having been officially exonerated in 2002. - Trump was a leading proponent of the debunked birther conspiracy theory falsely claiming president Barack Obama was not born in the United States - Trump and his company Trump Management were sued by the Department of Justice for housing discrimination against African-American renters.

Donald Trump made big gains with Black voters in 2024.

- Trump is a convicted rapist and felon, and is known 44 million women voted for him...

We are past strange, and we are in the phase of electorate deserves what they voted for.

[frumplestlatz]

If you find yourself with a view of reality that massively differs from others, you have two options.

(1) Assume they’re irrational, uninformed, and wrong, or

(2) Reconsider your priors and attempt to understand why they think the way that they do.

Let’s take the “island of garbage”. It was said by a comedian during his set. The Trump campaign stated “this joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign”.

The way that you framed it, however, was very careful to be true while also being misleading.

[saulapremium]

I think the viral quote "Dear America: You are waking up, as Germany once did, to the awareness that 1/3 of your people would kill another 1/3, while 1/3 watches." is probably pretty apt. The IRGC also has real support among the Iranian population. Putin clearly has strong support in Russia.

Generally, a lot of people are just not good people.

[embedding-shape]

> Generally, a lot of people are just not good people.

Worth remember, no one sees themselves as the "bad people", in each one of those 1/3's point of view, they're the "good people".

[saulapremium]

..maybe?

I mean, I would have said something exactly like that a few years ago. But first of all, history is full of atrocities committed by humans. They may all have considered themselves good people, but if they were/are objectively not, what does that matter? And secondly, I have encountered people who appear to think that decency is for sissies or something to that effect. Those people seem seriously emboldened lately. Do they think that being a good person is something to aspire to? I don't think so.

[embedding-shape]

> but if they were/are objectively not, what does that matter?

It matters less for them, and more for you. Yes, we see them as horrible, but also yes, they see us as horrible people. In the end we're all humans, and we all work towards what we think is better, but the method and goal what "better" actually is obviously differs.

> Do they think that being a good person is something to aspire to? I don't think so.

Yes, of course they do, but their definition of "good person" differs between you and them. For you, decency is "good person", for them, ignoring decency is "good person", so of course they aspire to being a good person, whatever that means for them.