[ericmcer]

That doesn't sound as good in meetings. The person who can cut scope and get everyone to the "we did it" back patting phase makes everyone feel warm and cozy.

Now combing through analytics to determine whether or not what we did was actually good? Less warm and cozy.

[hnlmorg]

This is where good leadership in the dev team is needed.

Is the improvement likely to reduce maintenance overhead (and thus cost)? Or improve performance allowing for fewer services running (and thus reducing cost)? Or reduce bugs that force people out of a workflow (eg in an online shop, thus fixing it increases sales)?

Or if it’s just tech debt then use Jira (etc) to your advantage and talk about the number of tickets you can close of this sprint due to this engineering initiative.

If the development team and product teams goals are largely aligned then the problem with engineering initiatives is just how you explain them to the product team.

[hilariously]

For a large enough problem you need a combination of enough skill (to do the job), enough foresight (to know what likely will go wrong and how much error budget you need), and skin in the game (so you dont just cut things that sound good but instead what is truly needed) - if you don't have all three of these you usually are just talking out of your ass.