[watwut]

> I don't believe you. Do you have proof? Iran is pretty damn closed off from the rest of the world so I have a hard time believing that you have some great insider knowledge about this.

They are not entirely closed off. Apparently there is a communication going on around closures, because I have seen fairly inside Iran info in French media (about executions, about people leaving Teheran etc etc). They are more guarded and dont do strong statements as OP. It is not possible to establish general what people in general think under current conditions. The executions are still going on, no one will randomly admit they are against irgc. But, they are fairly consistent with what he said.

The other consistent thing I heard in interviews (this time by British media) is that Iran is very nationalistic. Even people who hate regime are proud of Iran itself. That makes them more prone toward rally around the flag.

And unfortunately, America made it clear it wants to harm average Iranian. Plus its idea of regime change is to keep regime intact and change head (see Venezuela), so there is no one who would had actual reason to want America win.

[mgfist]

> And unfortunately, America made it clear it wants to harm average Iranian.

By and large this is not true. The US and Israel have hit Iran tens of thousands of times, and have never hit a pure civilian target on purpose. They've hit dual use targets, and accidentally hit civilian targets, but not ones on purpose. They could flatten Tehran if they wanted to hit civilians.

> Plus its idea of regime change is to keep regime intact and change head (see Venezuela), so there is no one who would had actual reason to want America win.

You're not entirely wrong here, and I've seen frustration from the US side that Mojtaba Khamenei is MIA (or dead).

[teh64]

"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again" - Sounds pretty wanting to harm the average Iranian to me.

[teh64]

Or "We are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We are going to bring them back to the stone ages where they belong."

[_DeadFred_]

I love this 'death to America, death to Israel' crowd saying 'it's just metaphor' getting so worked up over this metaphor as if such statements out completely out of line.

Did you get upset when the Islamic occupiers took over Iran in 1979 and stated 'we have defeated/ended Persian culture/civilization'?

[watwut]

Did you get worked up over USA throwing down democratically elected president and putting hated king into powe? Because that is what preceeded revolution. This line of reasoning about USA feelings being hurt (check notes) in 1979 is profoundly idiotic. Most people here were likely not even alive back then.

And no, it was not metaphore. Trump was threatening them and stating his intent. Israel wants exactly that too. The claim here is not that iran loves america. The claim here is that Iranians hating on country that put in hated king in 1979 is weak argument about how Trump in 2026 wanted.

For that matter, American army is still murdering fishermen, it is not like it had norms against crimes.

[mgfist]

Fair. Still though, the rhetoric does not match what's happened on the ground.

[watwut]

Both USA and Israel hit civilian targets on purpose. Especially Israel who did it also in Lebanon.

Israels attacks on civilian infrastructure are not random or accidental either. They are the literal strategy and goal.

> I've seen frustration from the US side that Mojtaba Khamenei is MIA.

This is just US side being dumb, honestly.

[_DeadFred_]

Why did the Islamic government import militias from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and put them on the streets if they already have organic support that wants to fight for Iran? That makes no sense, especially when the Islamic government is running short on funds, hiring foreign enforcers that they don't need would be a waste of limited funds.

[thiagoharry]

Ukraine import mercenaries from all over the world. So, you mean that they have no organic support for fighting?