[ChrisMarshallNY]

I find that there’s a surprising amount of really good stuff out there.

PHP has come of age. Actually, it’s been a backbone technology for millions of professional sites and apps for many years, and people tend to work in the open. Sort of the nature of the language.

There’s a popular perception that PHP programmers are bad programmers, but that’s a dated point of view. Pros have been using it to make serious money, and create serious infrastructure, for many years.

[OtomotO]

I am not dissing PHP, I am saying that the absolute majority of any code out there is mediocre and not super good and not super bad.

[ChrisMarshallNY]

I get the feeling that there’s a lot more “mediocre-to-good” PHP code (probably C, as well), than Swift.

I see terrible Swift code, frequently. It’s the kind of language that encourages “clever” approaches (as do most new languages), and these are favorites of less-experienced devs.