[convolvatron]

that's a poorly chosen counter-complaint. before SGI, symbolics owned the market for 3d graphics. this was a world where you could also just do (create-window), see the window, and get back a handle you could use to draw in it. starting with X10 afterwards for me was like drowning in mud.

[steezeburger]

I think the original comment is actually a poorly chosen example vs me having a poorly chosen counter-complaint.