[mainmailman]

Thank you, it's been all but confirmed that lot of "AI layoffs" are due to reaching a workforce equilibrium from Covid era over hiring.

Saying AI for anything, good news or bad news, is a get out of jail free card for execs who want to appease shareholders.

[conductr]

Who did they overhire? Like, Covid didn’t just increase the number of people in the field. Prior to Covid there was a so called talent shortage. The hiring that did occur was mostly net zero in aggregate. Workers got poached, grads got hired, compensation went to far up. And, that’s what they mean by overhired. They over paid. They now see the benefits of hiring cheaper talent on another continent. Cheaper talent that can use the same tools as you are going to use. AI equalized a lot of talent, the US labor doesn’t have the edge it once did. In a sense, this should have been happening at higher rates much earlier than it did but for some reason investors saw value if you paid big salary to smart people in one part of California for a very long time. Now, the thing that should have happened is happening. And they also realize it’s not limited to California, turns out even salaries in Alabama are high compared to other parts of the world.

There is also much more productivity. But I’m not sure it’s really a driving force yet as with the new productivity people are still just trying to do more with it which doesn’t translate to efficiency. Yet. It might once AI loses its wow factor and is just status quo. I feel like this is fast approaching but still may be a few years away.

[Lord_Zero]

Yeah so most of my friends who are dealing with spike in outsourced devs in their work environments are cleaning up the AI slop churned out by offshore people who are slinging code and getting the business requirements all wrong. Their jobs are now to clean up the mountains of code coming in from people who don't really get the problems they are being asked to solve.

[ehnto]

Outsourcing seems to come in cycles, where it's tried, fails due to communication issues (resulting in quality issues), then things get inhoused again.

I do think there is some opportunity for AI to smooth out the communication aspect, but I think what we will actually see is larger volumes of poorly guided work coming through for each feature. The AI does not fix the lack of deep systems understanding which is why inhousing is always the antidote to bad outsourcing.

I need to make this clear, there are great devs on either side of the various oceans, the issue is usually communication between two parties with nuturally mis-aligned incentives.

[conductr]

I’ve had a lot of success in past with the Apple approach. I design and architect locally but build it overseas. I think AI and the post-WFH office work culture really helped executives get over the hump / learn to make decisions and lead without being in the same physical space daily. Also, feel like the communication gap is largely a solved problem at this point. It is incredibly common to find English speakers in this profession from any country. The trick is learning to project management. At times, you simply just give the person objective instructions of what to build and the exact rendering and color palette. Or the exact packages you they can use as dependencies. But largely the world communicates together much better than the previous wave of outsourcing.

[alabut]

Don't know why this is getting downvoted. AI as air cover for layoffs seems very plausible for at least some companies, especially the ones that were already predisposed to doing layoffs pre-ai.