[dewey]

That doesn't really change the fact that it's hard. Do you know how many full movies are on YouTube that infringe on copyright? How many pirated streams are hosted on S3? How many piracy sites are behind Cloudflare. It's just very hard to police at scale and if something is flying below the radar it will be there for a while. They probably spread out their assets over many accounts, or even use misconfigured buckets with write permissions to drop some files in there.

[BLKNSLVR]

Google's inability to scale their services should be a regulatory issue.

If their platforms (Gmail, YouTube, DoubleClick) are being used to launch scams, they're failing at scale and governments are failing at legislating / regulating.

The only way to use Google services somewhat safely is with hefty ad (and the rest) blocking.

All this ID and surveillance and privacy invasion and metadata retention and yet all these scams only seen to grow. It never seems to end up protecting anyone deserving of protection.

I wonder what it's all been in aid of...

[intended]

Trust and safety doesn’t have the same maturity as cyber security. Things like trend and signal sharing between tech firms doesn’t exist, except through informal slack channels and WhatsApp groups.

The first major safety conferences for trust and safety came together only in 2023.

[csomar]

This argument actually doesn’t work in Google/your-point favor since finding pirated content on Google is now practically impossible.

The reality is, Google is driven strictly by incentives and there are no consequences for letting spam/scams run wild vs. pirated content which gets automatically removed when a DMCA notice is received.

[JakkTrent]

There is 100% pirated content on Youtube - not too much from Hollywood and you won't find anime on it - but if you watch foreign language media, there is very often the Official account and then like 4-5 others just blatantly providing the identical content, which is promoted alongside the legitmate content, so its fairly easy to start watching legit stream and find yourself not watching legitimatly a few episodes later, playlists are huge to prevent that.

The problem with this is the piecemeal enforcement all but proves they only care about stuff they get a cut of and that fact became more clear to me recently when I was watching a random drama made in Asia that I wont name due it being one of the best historical and educational shows I've ever watched - but there was a scene (this was made in the 90s btw) that was entirely innocent, not sexualized - it was done humorously, but I'm not a pdf file either so - anyways, there were fully naked children, with absolutely no censorship, on Youtube - 100% long enough to be noticed by their trackers - they obviously just are not reviewing certain content, at all.

I don't care about piracy at all - I'd still use Youtube if it was the primary source for pirated content, the idea that there may be some obscure content, that seems totally fine, in a language nobody really uses - except for Epstein types, if ever that was discovered - that Youtube had become a haven for pdf files bc of lax application of standards - I would want Youtube split away from Alphabet and force sold on the cheap to a more responsible owner (like Tiktok minus the responsible owner part) - plus an enormous fine.

I didn't believe that such content could exist at all on the platform - until I literally saw with my eyes that it obviously can.

[spaqin]

I kinda lost the plot here - what does piracy have to do with spam and phishing?

[em-bee]

both deal with distinguishing legitimate vs illegitimate content.

[DANmode]

Attempted platform moderation and abuse-enforcement.

[unholiness]

https://xkcd.com/277/

[hydrogen7800]

"It's so easy when you don't know how". I'm not sure if this phrase is in common use at all, or if I just misheard it once and attributed it to mean that when the details of a problem aren't obvious, its easy to conclude the solution is simple. "Why don't they just do ___?"

[irishcoffee]

At the companies I've worked at, I refer to this as the "well, can't you just...?"

Yeah, I can "just" after I "just" do A, and B, and C, and D, and E, and F, and G.

Drives me batty on top of being insulting. "Surely you realize I thought about that weeks ago, and if it were that simple, we wouldn't be having this conversation."

But hey, I get paid every 2 weeks.