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by raincole 42 days ago
> Obsidian is not a usable system without community plugins.

It's horse hockey. Plenty users use the vanilla Obsidian.

> Folks will reply "but I use it every day without plugins".

Because they do. You're saying that they should lie about their usage to fit your narrative?
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PurpleRamen 42 days ago
> Plenty users use the vanilla Obsidian.

They are irrelevant for this dispute, because these problems do not concern them. And the amount of people using plugins because of some real demand is not low.

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raincole 42 days ago
What dispute?

The parent comment says that Obsidian is not usable without plugins and it's simply nonsense. It would be very charitable to call this a "dispute."

Could Obsidian handle plugin permission better? I guess so. But that doesn't mean the users have to use plugins. It's ultimately the user's choice. Blender has zero security guards over the addons besides the OS's and the ecosystem thrives. So does Minecraft. These communities are essentially "arbitrary Python/Java code goes brrrr."

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PurpleRamen 42 days ago
> What dispute?

The discussion about the plugin-system, and the people who need it to which degree.

> The parent comment says that Obsidian is not usable without plugins and it's simply nonsense.

Sure, fair. But the comment happened in the context of talking about the plugin-system, and parent comment seems on the side that for them obsidian is worthless without plugins. Saying that other people have no need for them is pointless, because they are not in the picture. Phrasing could indeed be better, but talking about people who are not concerned by the problem is not really adding anything to the discussion.

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ImPostingOnHN 42 days ago
I think if the wording had been something like "I, one person out of billions, personally find Obsidian to be unusable without plugins", there probably would have been no disagreement and this discussion would be moot.

The disagreement was because the actual claim made was far broader, and in that far broader context, opposite to reality. We can assume good faith and an honest mistake in wording, but we can also forgive respondents for reasonably taking the words at face value.

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