[xyzelement]

Before I got married and had kids I thought it was a dumb Hallmark holiday.

Now I think it's really significant and important to have an official day dedicated to recognize all the moms out there.

Happy mother's day to all the moms out there. And all the guys that made them moms :)

[Balgair]

Each child is biologically required to have a mother. Fatherhood is a well-regarded theory, but motherhood is a fact.

P. J. O'Rourke

[treis]

This is not true on just so many levels. Lots of people have mothers not worthy of the name. I don't know exactly what fatherhood being a theory and motherhood being a fact means but I struggle to find any that isn't offensive to fathers.

[Balgair]

O'Rourke was a conservative satirist (back when that could even be a thing), was semi-famous for his long term appearances on NPR's Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, and was an advocate for gonzo journalism.

I take his quote to mean that motherhood is more difficult than fatherhood, especially back in the time he was active. The quote should, I feel, not be observed as a factual statement, but rather in the vein of his politically based humor. Largely, it was a simpler time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._O%27Rourke

[lanstin]

I was a stay at home dad for a number of years and my observation is that kids never get over a bad relationship with their mother (also informed by knowing a number of adults with mothers that weren’t that good for them); any one can benefit from a good relationship with their father, but it’s a little more optional for the most kids. Ready to benefit from a supportive dad but ready to go it without that sort of helpfulness.

[31carmichael]

You probably don't understand most clever jokes. O'Rourke's would clearly be lost on you.

[i_love_retros]

Why? What is special about being a mom? Are moms better than non moms? Lots of booze and a one night stand will create a mom, right? Not exactly a special feat

[xyzelement]

What's special - it's the person from whom most normal people have received the most love and care. It's the people who do the most work to keep humanity moving forward.

Are moms better than non moms - by and large yes.

I am sorry about what your life's story must have been like. Luckily I can't relate.

[i_love_retros]

>It's the people who do the most work to keep humanity moving forward.

How do you define "moving forward"? Just having more people?

What a strange person you seem to be to think that moms are better than non moms simply because they are moms. You seem to have a child's view of the world

[rationalist]

It's a day for mothers (which could be a step-parent, someone who adopted, neighbor, etc) - it's not Biological Incubator's Day.

[i_love_retros]

That's not really true. One would like it to be, but it's not. We are taught to worship biological mothers in society so that people keep having kids and thus feeding the tax collector, military machine, cleaning toilets etc. Take veterans for example- we put them on a pedestal so that more kids sign up to feed the meat grinder in the hope of having a "veteran" car sticker one day.

[sigseg1v]

I sincerely hope that you successfully navigate whatever it is that you are going through. This is not a sane or normal view of the world.

[i_love_retros]

Some people just can't handle the truth

[lanstin]

Even bad mothering takes a tremendous amount of work and selflessness. It is worth recognition prima facie.