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by stavros 42 days ago
I don't see this as an issue with the company. They were happy to release their code as OSS, as long as that allowed them to make enough money to develop the software. It was a win/win, and them AWS came and took advantage of that.

If you leave some apples at the side of the road, with a sign "$1 per apple" or whatever, and people largely pay enough for you to continue to pick apples, that's great. If someone starts coming every day and taking the entire crate, I don't blame you for discontinuing the convenient apple sales, I blame the thief.
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paulddraper 42 days ago
This analogy falls apart because there wasn’t a price for the software.

It’s like someone said “free whole apples, or $2/lb for sliced apples.”

And someone came, took all the whole apples, cut them, and sold them themselves.

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stavros 42 days ago
Sure, but presumably you can engage with the spirit of the analogy?

Let's be pedantic, and say someone gave apples away in exchange for donations, and when everyone only got a few apples and donated, things are fine, but then someone decided they can just take all the apples and sell them elsewhere.

Is it the fault of the first guy for not offering free apples any more, or is the second guy why we can't have nice things?

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sokoloff 42 days ago
> but presumably you can engage with the spirit of the analogy?

What you’re calling “the spirit of” the analogy, others are seeing as “the bias embedded in” the analogy and you seem annoyed that people aren’t accepting your proposed analogy as a valid analog to the topic under discussion.

You think they’re changing the subject; others, including me, experience you as the one doing that.

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Chris2048 42 days ago
Why is an analogy needed? Just engage with what actually happened.
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paulddraper 42 days ago
The donation example tracks.
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sokoloff 42 days ago
In this allegory, did AWS take all the apples in the crate while paying them $1 for every apple, thus becoming the bad guy?
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stavros 42 days ago
No. It took the entire crate and paid nothing.
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sokoloff 42 days ago
I think there's a massive difference between "paying what was required by the offer" and "paying less than was required by the offer" and only one of them makes you a thief.
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stavros 42 days ago
I think there's a massive difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, and saying "but the letter of the law didn't say I couldn't!" doesn't make you any less of a thief.
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Chris2048 42 days ago
> "but the letter of the law didn't say I couldn't!" doesn't make you any less of a thief.

Yes it does. And it's moot because the apples were offered for free, no restriction on usage.

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cthalupa 42 days ago
Most of the companies behind Valkey were writing significant code for Redis. It was certainly not a case of them paying nothing.

Valkey has some of the (formerly) most prolific Redis contributors for the era in which it was forked.

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