[conartist6]

And remember if there aren't jobs, people probably won't just lay down and die.

It won't be Marvin saying, "Oh god I'm so depressed, what's the point?" We'll just start killing each other in massive numbers cause, well, if you can't create anything and there isn't enough for everyone, what else is there to do but fight over what there is

[danaris]

But that's the thing, and what's really different from how it's ever been before: there absolutely is enough for everyone.

It's being deliberately gatekept from us by the wealthy, and by those who believe that no one should be allowed to have anything they haven't "earned".

The tragic thing is, to the extent that you're right, people will probably mostly kill other people who have nothing, rather than turning their anger and violence where it truly deserves to go: the rich bastards who want to own everything and prevent the rest of us from having anything.

[2ndorderthought]

There isn't though. Our infrastructure cannot sustain the AI race. Food supplies are weakening. An ever increasing population is being encouraged by billionaires.

There could be! But there currently is not. Nor is there any plan for that to change.

[danaris]

Well, you're right that our infrastructure can't sustain the AI race, but (while it's true I didn't make that clear), that's not remotely what I was talking about.

Even with food supplies "weakening"—which is only happening due to the pointless Iran war, not due to any larger trends—we still have plenty of food to feed every human being on the planet.

And regardless of what billionaires might encourage, population growth is slowing. (To the extent that it might become a genuine economic problem in a few decades if we don't find a way to adjust our economic systems to stop depending on a constantly-increasing population.)

[2ndorderthought]

Tarrifs wiped out a lot of farmers. Fertilizer shortages absolutely are a result of the Iran war.

Population growth can occur if billionaires lobby Republicans and make birth control illegal. Which is happening right now. Last week we were seeing some scary news about that.

There is a big difference between what we could be doing and what is happening. It's more profitable for the ultra wealthy that we can barely survive. I know it sounds abrasive, but it's a fact and there is a lot of evidence pointing to this. Googling Elon musk wants people to have more children is scary how many hits there are from different conversations. Bezos as well.