[coderenegade]

You only get good at the things you actually do. Our ancestors had to maintain a minimum level of fitness in order to be able to eat -- a level that most people today never reach, because the modern world has removed that need. Thinking is a skill just like any other, so what happens when people no longer have to exercise that skill to survive? It's a scary thought.

[brookst]

Tools don’t eliminate work, they abstract and amplify work. Those who miss this point are doomed to become the folks who say “back in my day we walked to school in the snow, uphill both ways”.

The map isn’t the territory; thinking about what to build is just as valid as thinking about how to build it. Architects aren’t carpenters, but that doesn’t mean there’s no value in architecture.

[jplusequalt]

>The map isn’t the territory; thinking about what to build is just as valid as thinking about how to build it

If this was the case, the demand for architects would be different than what see today.

[brookst]

Not following. The demand for architects is gated by the cost of building. And the metaphor is that all if us who used to be carpenters can be architects, in the software sense. Maybe some people don’t want to be, but it is still a very thought-intensive profession.

[jplusequalt]

The question is whether vibe coding requires a lot of thought, and I don't believe it does. The industry in in full blown idiocracy at the moment, and if you think you're a real engineer despite not understanding what you're building, you're a joke.