[EMIRELADERO]

That's a false binary. European nations manage without either of them for example.

[cjbgkagh]

I think it is that the US is merely ahead of Europe and Europe will catch up to the US in this regard. Just give it 20 to 30 years.

[EMIRELADERO]

Why do you believe mantaining an acceptable level of peacefulness requires torture?

[cjbgkagh]

I don’t accept your premise that the Japanese system is torture.

[EMIRELADERO]

Extreme control of movement and sleep including deprivation of it for arbitrary amounts, constant lighting, no outside time, nothing to do for months at a time, lack of nutritious food, all those things in combination constitue torture under most modern definitions.