[snapplebobapple]

First motorola grapheneos phone i am buying to get fully off the google pain train. Grapheneos tides me over until a real linux smart phone shows up or i die of old age. Now if home assistant could get thread network join*ng working without an android phone with a google account i could ve fully ris of those eh holes.

[iamtedd]

> Now if home assistant could get thread network join*ng working without an android phone with a google account

There is already a way to do this. It's fiddly, but not by much. Once set up it's a much better experience, though.

https://www.matteralpha.com/how-to/how-to-use-home-assistant...

[snapplebobapple]

It needs to work theough bluetooth proxy and be a button click, not massive pain like the articlec

[iamtedd]

Yeah requires a free Bluetooth radio and has a bit of setup, but in my opinion, it's well worth it to not be reliant on Android or iPhone, which has always given me problems.

[DANmode]

> real linux smart phone shows up

What’s most glaringly missing, for you specifically, from the plethora of options available?

It seems like plenty of options are getting 7/10 things right.

[snapplebobapple]

Have you tried any of them? The software is painful or the hardware they work on is painfully underpowered.

[microtonal]

And typically security is very bad, no good sandboxing, MAC (through e.g. SELinux), etc. I know that doesn't matter to everyone, but in the context of a discussion about GrapheneOS it does.

[DANmode]

You’re going to struggle with that with most distros.

[microtonal]

Indeed. Though in Europe is common for banking apps/auth, government ID apps, etc. to be phone-based, so they are the more interesting target.

[surgical_fire]

I am patiently waiting for that one. I have been willing to move to GrapheneOS for a while, but I don't feel like buying Google hardware.

[amarant]

Fwiw the pixel phones are excellent hardware.

[SwamyM]

That's debatable. Pretty much every generation of the Pixel phones have had some major issues. They've even had to do multiple extended repair/replace programs due to some of them. Heck there is even an ongoing issue where one of their updates has caused multiple generations of their devices to be bricked (and that still hasn't been fixed) - https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-march-update-b...

On a technical level, yea, it may be great hardware but in practice, I don't think it is. As an Android user, I wish it were but it's not. Samsung is so much more reliable as an end user (even with their own issues).

[tpm]

They have consistently the worst battery endurance of any relevant phone maker since forever.

[surgical_fire]

I don't care. I don't want Google hardware because I despise the company and I'm actively trying to reduce my dependence on Google.