[colesantiago]

So it is uncool that Apple provides a service for backing up your photos even if they are providing 5GB for free.

Got it.

Let's hope that your phone won't be part of the 70 million smartphones that get lost each year and your photos aren't backed up.

[beams_of_light]

I strongly prefer not to have my personal data stored on other people’s computers.

[colesantiago]

Get a camera then?

How does a normal person get the same service as iCloud for their personal device while syncing _all_ their photos, app data to it?

[beams_of_light]

I have a camera, on my phone. I just want to be able to sync my pictures and videos to my own device, not cloud storage. This is becoming especially prudent in these times of nearly monthly major breaches exposing personal data stored in the cloud, as well as companies deciding to change their terms of service and use your data for purposes you might not want it used for.

[m463]

apple doesn't allow for that. They support their own solution, suppress what they don't like (music syncing) and actively interfere with other solutions, even some they wrote long ago.

non-icloud reminds me of the jackling house

> In 1984 Steve Jobs purchased the Jackling House and estate, and resided there for a decade. After that, he leased it out for several years until 2000 when he stopped maintaining the house, allowing exposure to the weather to degrade it.

You can do some of it with image capture/files to read raw DCIM stuff, carddav/caldav, but that stuff may or may not work.

[justinclift]

What are you on about? Why is this trigging such weird hatred in you?

They literally deleted his personal photo's from his phone without his consent. They didn't even ask.

If he'd actually signed up for it, then sure, in that case they're offering a desired service. That's clearly not the situation though.

[colesantiago]

How is common sense hatred?

I am just saying what a normal person would do not a HN or tech user would do.

> They literally deleted his personal photo's from his phone without his consent. They didn't even ask. If he'd actually signed up for it, then sure, in that case they're offering a desired service. That's clearly not the situation though.

Except it is not 'deleted', it is on iCloud, it is your choice for this to be temporary or permanent.

Again, every Apple account has 5GB of iCloud for free, it has always been like this and even the author knows it.

The real problem is that the author accepted Apple's terms without even knowing or reading the terms like most people do. By using the iPhone he agrees to their ToS.

I know this because the terms of service shows up you setup the iPhone and when you update the iPhone OS.

But i'm sure you and him have read every line in most Terms of Service right?

[justinclift]

> How is common sense hatred?

It's literally the opposite of common sense. :(

Common sense is when your users use their device to take a photo, and have not explicitly signed up for your extra (off device) "backups", then you do not ___delete their files___ from their actual storage location.

[colesantiago]

> It's literally the opposite of common sense. :(

It is common sense for normal people when using these devices.

Even the author doesn't want to move.

> Will this change my behavior in any way? I already don’t buy most apple products, precisely for the “walled garden” reason. I have this iPad and that’s it. I’ll try to not buy more.

So here is what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year:

Nothing.

The author will continue to use the iPad and move on with his life.

> Common sense is when your users use their device to take a photo, and have not explicitly signed up for your extra (off device) "backups", then you do not ___delete their files___ from their actual storage location.

That is called a digital camera.

[justinclift]

> It is common sense for normal people when using these devices.

Again, I think you're very wrong.

It seems to be how you think, but not many others.